Kit: Behold his blandness. l D And in turn, MY blandness. Any ragging you guys do is heavily deserved l 3
Creep: Well...we lack a picture.
Kit: Yeah. His profile was created directly after my main artist quit PnF. |D
Erik: And profile...
Erik: Didn’t you say he was Phineas’s Dad?
Erik: ...Well...he would be Linda’s age...and Linda is around Doof’s age...and Doof is 47 sooooo...Isaac likes older women? He’s 30.
Creep: I find it funny that he really likes Vivian to the point of having a nickname for her. “Vivi”. XD
Kit: Wait...I said he was in his late 30’s, Early 40’s, didn’t--*looks back* Oh...I didn’t save that edit, apparently. Oops. |D
Erik: Oh wait, you did. Sorry. I saw his answer “30” and went “O.o”
Kit: Yeah, in the interview, I pointed out he dislikes admitting that he’s old. X3
Erik: Who the eff did he kill? O.o
Kit: *stamps “spoiler” on it and shrugs* There’s a story to explain that. It’s just not here yet.
Erik: ...He reminds me of Grunkle Stan. XD
Creep: I like the fact that he’s not the source of everything Phineas is....unlike Francis. >.> You really DID literally made Issac into a version of Grunkle Stan. XD
Kit: Yeah, I didn’t want Phineas to get his...Phineas-ness from either of his parents. I wanted him to just be him. Makes him specialer. :3
Creep: It could have arguably gotten it from Dr. Phineasstein. XD
Kit: True. x3
Erik: This is easily one of the most creative, if not THE most creative Phineas Dad’s I’ve ever seen.
Creep: Hell, Kit admits this is her worst OC and even then, it’s better than any other Dads we’ve seen.
Erik: ...Y’know...I thought it was impossible to get a P&F parent to actually...y’know...work. But you’ve proven me wrong.
North: Quite. I do like what Isaac has going for him, just the sort of character he seems to be.
Creep: Yo, Ash! This is how you make a Phin Dad OC!
Erik: Expect butthurt for that comment, CreepE. XD
Creep: Guess what, bro?
Erik: Are you going to say “I don’t care” or “I welcome that”? XD
Creep: No, I was gonna say, “Duh”. *puts a pretzel stick in mouth like a cigar in a vague attempt to look cool*
Erik: …This right here...
CHILDREN: Candace Flynn, Phineas Flynn (Biologically related, but not considered their father in family)
HOW WELL DO THEY GET ALONG: In the way they treat each other, Isaac is more like an uncle to Phineas and Candace. They all know they are biologically related, but Isaac does well not to take Lawrence's place, because he knows that even if he tried, Isaac could never take Lawrence's place as their father. They grew up with Lawrence as their father, Isaac knows it, and he stays in his place. He cares for them, but has accepted they're not really his kids. Still, Phineas and Candace like him well enough, just not as a dad; more like an awkward uncle they didn't know they had.
Erik: That is literally the only way you can make a Phineas Dad work in this. Maybe I’m wrong, because honestly, I thought it was impossible. But this...this is how you do it.
Creep: A grand example, indeed. *claps* Bravo, Kitters.
Kit: I’m awesome, apparently. XDDD *kidding, but laughing*
Creep: More so than most. XD
Erik: The only thing that bugs me is how he impregnated Linda with Candace AND Phineas when they only dated for three months.
Kit: *shrugs* Yeah, uhm...The history explains that part. It gets a little adult, but that’s kind of the point of his character; countering the innocence of the kids with his depressing adult-ness.
Erik: Ahhhh OK...well...overall good job. I didn’t think anyone could pull off “The Missing Parent” and you did it. So if you really think you can pull off a platypus, go for it. I have faith in you.
Kit: Yay. :3
#7 Joanna: [link]
Creep: The well-known and somehow not as well-known OC that is Joanna.
North: I think anyone who has seen my gallery knows how I feel about her.
Kit: Yep. XD
Erik: Yeah...I...already kinda critiqued this OC
Creep: Then, why are she here?
Erik: If you wanna know why, I’ll explain at the end of the CCE. But remember, only I critiqued her. Not you guys. Also, I critiqued Olivia too and she’s on here. I critiqued Marie...like...hell...and she’s on here. XD
Creep: K. Anyway, interview!
Erik: Oh dude that is just...so...so obvious. But let us cover that after the interview.
Kit: “It looks brown but is really dark blonde”?...That don’t look blonde in the slightest.
North: Now that’s logic!
Creep: The hell?
“J: We’re Christians, but I don’t think we’re taking it seriously enough. :U”
Creep: Because you know, P&F was pretty heavy in religious matters.
Erik: Josabella...is also Christian. Also note that Josabella’s real name is Joanna...but I need to call her Josabella because otherwise we’d all be confused as fuck.
Creep: I mean, the only true “religious” moment the show had was the “Mexican-Jewish” song and even then, that’s more of the culture than the actual religion.
Erik: There’s also this interview.
Creep: “Killing is evil”? Suddenly, I’m thinking back to Pao....
Erik: ...Huhhhh...she is 14...wait...what age was Josabella when she made this character?
Erik: I was being sarcastic. If you look at the dates, Josabella was 14. Also...she doesn’t sound like a P&F character. She sounds like a preppy teenage girl.
Creep: Also, check out most of her gallery; it’s romance-focused.
20) What's your weakness?
- "I would consider this a secret, but since you asked; Jonathan's eyes."
Erik: THAT IS NOT A WEAKNESS!!!
Creep: No, not even close.
North: That is just stupid and cheesy as hell.
Kit: That’s worse than “I’m too curious” or something.
Creep: Oh god, something WORSE than Marie? *facepalms* I...I...I hate this fandom...I really do.....somedays, I wish I could close up shop and move into Gravity Falls or go original or something.
Erik: The fandom is getting better. We just need to keep it safe...and keep the GF fandom safe too.
Kit: Yes...lest the fandom become like the PnF fandom.
Creep: *sigh* True....I refuse to have GF fall and die too. >.<
Erik: *cuddles with GF fandom* It’s OK, little fandom...I’ll protect you...
Creep: Also, no stories. Shocking, no?
Erik: No there’s stories...but they aren’t written by her. We sporked them. We had no freaking idea what the hell was going on because these characters are so flat. It didn’t even slightly P&F.
Creep: I mean, even fuckin’ Marie had.......SOME role in the fuckin’ series, but Joanna’s pointless.
Erik: Dude, the story was about teenagers going to a skatepark, not skating, and just sitting around chatting about pointless shit!
Creep: That story was so bad we cut it short. >.<
Erik: You took part in that?
Creep: ….actually, I remember leaving because this was before I got my wisdom teeth taken out and the pain was so overwhelming that I couldn’t focus on sporking.
Erik: Alright before I wrap this up...one more thing...
Erik: This is Josabella, drawing herself in cartoon form: [link]
Erik: This is Joanna: [link]
Erik: Yeah, sorry, that was the ONLY DAMN PICTURE that I could find where she was alone and not with Jonathan or, less often, some of her girl friends.
North: Wait, Erik, that’s the same....OH WAIT. *Ridiculously blatant sarcasm*
Erik: If this doesn’t make you realize that she is an obvious insert, then you, sir, are as blind as hell.
Erik: So, wrapping this up, this character is an obvious insert.
Erik: This is why she doesn’t sound like a P&F character and sounds like a typical teenage girl. ...Because she IS! She’s a freaking insert!
Kit: And typical teenager isn’t interesting. |3
Creep: Even the teens from the show aren’t this...dull and boring.
#8 Mary and Edward:
Erik: Oh sweet! My characters. I get to take a break from typing and hop into bed and eat junk food while you guys hand my ass to me on a silver platter.
Creep: Time for parody LULZ. XD And get your ass back here!
Erik: Alright, alright...now before we continue, let me tell you what you all know...these are joke characters. Do not take them seriously. In fact, that is the fun of this particular critique...you get to grade them...and ADD points for being a crappy Mary-Sue/Gary-Stu and deduct points for being decent...XD
Kit:...North, Creep, you’re on your own. I have no experience in this. |3
Creep: Well, one thing I have to complain is that Mary is more or less a “Take That” to Marie than any other Phinbella OC.
Erik: The names are sheer coincidence. It’s actually based on the fact that she’s...well...a Mary-Sue.
Creep: True, but it’s more inspired around Marie’s Mary-Sue-ness.
Erik: I will admit, Marie is an inspiration for this character. She is a pinnacle of Mary-Sues. She’s sorta where I started. I took Marie, the ultimate Mary-Sue, and wondered “How can I make her an even bigger sue?”
Creep: I mean, even Edward, being an obvious “Take That” of Thomas, has more variety.
Erik: Actually...I didn’t put much Thomas in him. Other than the sueish cousin relationship, which I felt had to be there to be an ultimate sue/stu couple.
Creep: Edward pretty much acts like a emo hippy. XD
Erik: Ikr? XD I fixed his interview a little though after I showed you the prototype. Speaking of which, let’s do em one at time. Which shall we start with? Mary or Edward?
Creep: ...I thought we were already talking them. XD
Erik: It feels more like a pre-critique talk...XD
Creep: Well, you did combine them into #8 on this list, Erik; they’re probably be critiqued together.
Erik: I figured we’d start one by one and then together overall. Here’s Mary’s stuff.
Creep: Well, to be honest, there’s not much stuff to say.
Erik: Sooo...tell me...is there any way I can make her suck harder and more sueish? Anything. Anything at all?
Creep: I’d incorporate more shitty traits from other Phinbella OCs.
Creep: Details; all of Mary’s answers are quick and don’t dig deep into shit.
Erik: But what traits?
Creep: Like she invents stuff like like her day, she’s friendly, etc.
Erik: I have both of those on...
Creep: ….uh, I just had a weird feeling of Deja Vu right now. O.o
Erik: ...OK...but what other OC traits can I incorporate? I have inventing and “friendliness” or peppiness. (Where are the others?)
Creep: Anyway, maybe have Mary talk about how much she loves her mom (we don’t have much info about that).
Erik: Fair point...but...you said stuff about traits from other OCs. Where are those? What did you have in mind?
Creep: *shrugs* I dunno, man; like I said, there’s not much to talk about Mary and Edward. They’re obviously parody-sues.
Erik: That’s the point. How can I make them more sueish? XD
Creep: Well, they seem fine to me, but we probably need pictures or some cheesy-ass stories to cement them into sueness.
Erik: I’m considering stories, but I can’t legitly draw. XD
Creep: ….*slips Erik a card* Well, give me a call, I can hook you up with some pics. XD
Erik: Awww thanks bro, but you have better uses of your time. XD
Kit: That’s so nice, Creepe. :3
Creep: Nah, I’m sure I could think of a parody or something of the sort. XD *snort* Anything for my bro.
Erik: What about you, Kit? Any ways I could sue Mary up? XD
Kit: Again, I have little experience with parody characters...but, maybe something involving Perry or something. |3
North: I’m not exactly sure either, my characters are antis.
Erik: Oooh nice idea. I didn’t have much Perry.
Creep: Maybe a pic of Mary poking Perry endlessly. XD
Erik: Well...since you offered...I do have a pic idea...XD
Creep: Yeah? Well, come to my office sometime, we’ll cut a deal. XD <--suddenly has a Brooklyn accent
Erik: And now...Edward...
Erik: Lazy recolorings!!! XD
Creep: The same, but with Edward. XD
Erik: You had problems with him last time. Did you read the new interview?
Creep: Honestly, I liked the emo hippy better; it was kinda funny.
Erik: You did? Oh crap, you are unpredictable...you said you didn’t like it...just like you said you thought Otto’s metal plate was too dark. *Family Guy cutaway gag goes on*
Creep: That I am. XD But seriously, the emo hippy felt “original”. Not to mention, it sounds funnier in my head. XD
Erik: Ehhh, to be fair, he is supposed to be a stu, and ergo, no original...but I still feel something is off on his emoness... I wonder how can I improve it...
Creep: In fact, his voice reminds me of this:
Edward: EDWARD, AAAWWWAAAYYYY.
Creep: XD Only younger-sounding and more lifeless.
Erik: OMG! XD
Creep: I know, right? XD
Erik: Anything else to say guys?
Creep: Nah, that’s my two-cents.
Kit: Again, I have no experience with this, so I got nothin’. |3
North: It’s some lulzy-ass parody. XD
Creep: Shall we move on?
#9 Marie: [link]
Creep: We might as well split this CCE in two parts.
North: Oh, bollocks.
Creep: Marie....is the shitstain of this fandom. I know that sounds unprofessional, but she’s basically the source of all evil in this fandom. She’s the worst of them ALL and I know I’ve given her some credit, but....she’s the worst Phinbella OC out of ALL of them.
Erik: Yep...we’re critiquin’ Marie.
Kit: Yaaaay. |D
Creep: She’s the primordial ooze of every shitty Phinbella OC out there.
Erik: I disagree with CreepE that she’s the worst OC in the fandom...though she’s up there....but she IS the root of most evil in this fandom.. Most misery, lack of competence, depression, and bullying occurs because of her. But...that’s not what we’re here to talk about.
Creep: Ah, you’re right there. Anyway, despite ALL of us critiquing it, let’s look at her interview.
Creep: Lord, I don’t think Marie should have a spot on the CCE; no, I think she needs the WHOLE CCE to describe how shitty she truly is.
Erik: Normally I’d agree, but so much has been said about her...I think we can spare our fans the bulk of it. But should should cover the necessities...like her interview...and “The Truth”
Creep: She’s a clone of Phineas and Isabella combined. The END. She has no original traits and is basically nothing BUT Phineas’ and Isabella’s good traits.
Erik: That is perhaps the most fascinating thing about Marie...how you can fuse two good characters like Phineas and Isabella and have it go so damn wrong.
North: That’s fandom for ya!
Erik: ...Even if she wasn’t such a bad character, she is still so annoying. Even KicsterAsh, a big fan of Marie, portrays her as an annoying brat in her stories.
Creep: Kicsterash LOVES Marie and yet in her stories, you almost have the notion that Ash is secretly trolling her creators about how stupid she is.
Erik: She doesn’t, of course, but you find yourself amazed someone can see Marie for what she truly is and still like her.
Kit: Almost makes me want to attempt to portray them, just to see how it would go over...but I get scared to because anything could make her OOC.
Creep: Marie is a walking contradiction as well. In her kid years, she’s a blantant ripoff of her parents, stealing every joke and invention they’ve ever done (even “stealing” their pets)...and then they’re all grown-up, they’re a blatant ripoff of her parents from Pao’s comics, stealing every over-dramatic cliche and romantic bullshit they’ve ever done.
Erik: Potential insert is in there too.
42) What´s your nickname?
-Marie. Dad calls me Ely.
Creep: When in none of the comics, stories or pictures, no one EVER called her that. Not even her own creators refer to her as “Ely”.
Erik: ...Oh and we can’t forget to mention how not only is a fusion of her parents...but the jokes are almost all taken from the original P&F.
Creep: Like “Wedding Impossible”, Paola has the insane idea that if you take a joke from the show and change the character, it’s funny. No, no it’s not.
Erik: Guys, we’d love to put links here...but we have covered this so thoroughly...we have ripped it apart so much...we can’t be bothered to spam you guys with so many pictures.
Creep: But we need to prove the biggest issue with Marie as well.
Erik: And to do that...I think we need to bring up Thomas.
Creep: Thomas...used to be okay.
Erik: Thomas isn’t as much as a Gary-Stu as Marie is a Mary-Sue...the reason for that is because he’s a stolen character turned emo. But I have covered that.
Kit: Yeah, I used to really like these two...for some reason. I used to be JEALOUS of their popularity.
Creep: Originally, Thomas was a sarcastic guy who got annoyed with his cousin while she basically blew herself up. This was, actually, an interesting concept like how it was a straight contrast to the relationship their fathers.
Erik: He used to belong to WhiteBAG before he was stolen...then he was turned emo...then into a Gary-Stu...and...and...and then...and then...this happened.
Creep: Oh, god. *facepalm* The moment this thing was posted, things changed.
Erik: I feel tempted to spork Ely’s argument for this right here...right now...
Creep: Let’s do it!
Erik: It’s long, are you all up for it? Say aye or nay.
Creep: Let’s DO IT.
North: Oh hell yes.
Erik: Honestly...I have torn this petty argument apart before. Last time it was with SporkMilitia...and I don’t mind doing it again. You guys ready?
Creep: One thing: Marie and Thomas are tanks in the first panels....and yet they’re free at the very last panel. WTF?
Erik: *shrug* After they get out I guess...but God this pic just scares me...it just fucking scares me.
Creep: Hell, one of their replies to how Thomarie is “weird” is that they look SO cute together! >.< *Ugh, that’s how people fuckin’ react to Dipper and Mabel. >.>
Erik: ...It’s OK, CreepE...It’s OK...we will protect Gravity Falls with our lives.
Creep: Good. Now let’s spork this shit already.
Happy delayed valentine's day, folks!! <333
Erik: I remember this...worst Valentines in my life...I ended up vomiting on my date because of this thing.
Creep: This was the literal Valentine’s Day massacre; the deviation that changed the fandom forever. It’s like how Bruce Wayne’s parents caused more crime in the city and yet brought birth to Batman.
OMG, long artist's comments! Don't care, read
Take it slow, pepole. I know this is hard to deal with (well, for some of you XD) so please, please, please, read carefully.
Q: Did you know this from the very first time?
A: Yes, yes we did. This is NOT something we just decided to come up with.
Erik: Coulda fooled me. This seemed to come from nowhere.
Creep: I swear, it was probably because of that comparison pic Pao drew; you know where I compared SpongeBob to Marie? That probably sealed the deal.
Q: Then why did you wait so long to reveal it?
A: We wanted to explore audience's reaction to their weird relationship, fortunately, a lot of them got it right. Even this part.
Erik: No...a lot of people got it wrong...it should not be generally acceptable for cousins, little kids at that, to be making out and tonguing. That...is...wrong.
Creep: Just fuckin’ sick, man.
Q: Why did you decided to put them together?
A: Because they're Phineas' daughter and Ferb's son. Just for that simple fact they both CAN'T have average couples, their mates have to be special. And what is more special than this?
Erik: ...Anything outside of their own gene pool would be nice.
Creep: ….yeah, that’s the reason why; because Marie and Thomas are too stupid to even TRY to date anyone outside of the family. Not only is this stupid, but we actually don’t get a canon reason for WHY Thomas suddenly likes Marie!
Erik: ...No, not only is this stupid...her reasoning is the biggest Mary-Sue logic I have ever read. Here’s a rough translation of her answer “I wanted to sue them up further”
Creep: No, I wanna know why Thomas suddenly thinks Marie’s attractive when he admitted that she’s annoying! This is NEVER EXPLAINED AT ALL!!!!!
Q: Their families, what do they think?
A: That is a LONG story to be told.
Erik: And never actually will be told...we’ll...just...sorta jump to Thomarie like it was always this way or something.
Creep: It would be an interesting story to have SOME explaination rather than just making them instantly a couple. It’s like if Olivia and Erik 2 said “Hi”and BAM! A couple right there!
But, basically, Ferb and Vanessa always knew (and because of their own 'forbbiden' relationship they support their boy all the way), Isabella knew it latter but got happy because she loves Thomas too and she wants a special guy to be her daughter's boyfriend. Phineas...Phineas is so troubled. Not because it is about Thomas, mostly because he doesn't know how to handle Marie's feelings and also his own feelings about 'losing' his little girl.
But, at the end: they look for their children's happiness. End of the story (isn't that a parents' duty?) And the fact that Phineas goes with Ferb looking for advice, just puts them more together than ever. That's a lovely subplot we love to work on.
Erik: I’m supposed to believe that Phineas, Ferb, Vanessa, and Isabella...all support incest between their children....
Creep: Not to mention Fernessa’s fuckin’ dead.
Kit: Montessa FTW!
Erik: To be fair, it was big back then.
Creep: Regardless, Ferbnessa relationship is just as bad as Thomarie’s. If we believe “Wedding Impossible” is canon, Ferb was a teenager and Vanessa was a grown-ass woman. That’s....sick. Although, consider how fucked up the parents got together, it’s not wonder why Thomarie is what it is.
Erik: ...So...that’s...pretty much the reasoning.
Vanessa: Well...if we can accept pedophilia, we may as well take incest too. =3
Kit: Beautiful logic.
The "this is so wrong!" time.
Erik: This IS so wrong.
Wrong? Do you believe that if this was wrong we would allow it?
Erik: If you truly didn’t think there was something wrong with it, would you need to defend it before anyone even attacked you? Also, look at this closely...according to her reasoning, she’s perfect or something and never make mistakes. I mean how else could “Do you believe that if this was wrong we would allow it?” be a valid argument? The only time I could see this being a valid argument is if you were talking about God.
Do you believe we didn't make any research and collected data? We DID investigate, we did collect data.
Erik: *SPOILER ALERT* It’s biased data.
Creep: You also forgot fuckin’ common SENSE.
And, if even then you think this is wrong and bad and forbbiden and horrible: go and take care of yaoi/yuri shippers (nothing against them -w-) and only then you can come and tell us what to do with OUR characters ;D
Creep: There’s a difference between homosexuality and INCEST. At least with most gay people, they aren’t hooked up with their SIBLINGS. >.<
Erik: Actually, I don’t support Yaoi or Yuri in P&F either. I think it’s kinda messed up. I wish Kit were still here so she could go apeshit on this.
Kit: XDDD Coming back to this, I kind of just laughed at that comment. X3 I love how she impies yaoi/yuri is horrible and forbidden, and yet she says she has nothing against us...I actually don’t mind people who don’t like it. x3
Creep: Me neither. But I rather have something like PhineasXDjango than PhineasXFerb; there has to be a line when it comes to family and relatives.
Erik: I’ll take care of the Yaoi/Yuri shippers...it’ll be easy. They are far more open to other’s opinions than you are. But I think incest is a bigger deal, so I’ll cover that first. Also, I’m pretty damn sure Yaoi/Yuri only applies to anime.
Creep: Well, technically, Yaoi/yuri are Japanese terms for being gay.
FIRST: Let me remind you Thomas and Marie have this big "STEP-cousins" business, they are NOT related by blood, and they have different lastnames for legal facts. But, let's check what laws, religion and psychology say about real-cousins relationships.
Erik: Really? OK, tell me the last time anyone in the Flynn-Fletcher family was referred to as “Step-X”. You’re gonna have to go all the way back to the bleeding pilot. It was mentioned ONE time. This is not a “BIG” step cousins. They are family. Never once have they referred to any of them as step anything. The only person to use “step” is Isabella.
Creep: Phineas and Ferb HEAVILY believe this, consider how they treat AND love each other as brothers. So why the fuck would they NOT teach this to their kids or at least argue about this!
Erik: It’s a big thing for Dan and Swampy too. That’s what really gets me. The incest alone bugs me, but the fact that you feel the need to tear down the very foundations of this show to back your argument up is what really ticks me off.
Creep: And you called yourself a fan, Ely?
Erik: I dunno who actually wrote this since both of them submitted it in different languages...but yeah, the fact that we are bugged by the moral issues shows you can’t argue morality. It’s impossible. Arguments require logic, which is the exact opposite of morality.
"The group is people who are married to their cousins. These people note that 20 percent of marriages around the world are between first cousins, that Albert Einstein and Charles Darwin married their first cousins, and that first-cousin marriage, while prohibited in half the United States, is legal in Canada and throughout Europe"
In USA, allowed at: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona (conditional), california, Colorado, connecticut, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois (conditional), Indiana (if 'first cousins' label removed by laws), Kansas (HALF cousins, yes), Mississippi (ADOPTED cousins, yes), Montana (HALF cousins, yes), Nebraska (half-cousins), Nevada (half-cousins), New Jersey, New Mexico, New york, North Carolina (double cousins not allowed), Oklahoma (half), Oregon (adopted), Rhode island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah (conditional) Vermon, Virginia, West Virginia (adopted), Wisconsin (conditional)
Erik: ...You’re taking this disturbingly seriously. But law isn’t the big issue for me since you can make up laws in your fantasy future.
Creep: Not to mention, it’s a FANWORK, not a fuckin’ real life situation!
AND: We are not even talking about marriage here! LOL.
Erik: Like hell you aren’t.
Creep: Yeah, the fuckin’ implications from any of your pictures betray you, Ely.
I talked with a priest who's friend of mine
Creep: Sure you did and I talked to a magic, talking horsefly that told me religion was invented by the government.
and he said that marriage between cousins at chatolic religion is totally ALLOWED. Even then: In Leviticus chapter 18 (KJV), God tells us that we are not to have sexual relations with the following:
any close relative (which you will clearly see does not include cousins), your mother, your father's wife, your sister, (whole or half) "whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere" (v.9)
your grandchild, the daughter of your father's wife (step-sister), your father's sister (aunt) "as she is your father's close relative", your mother's sister (aunt) "as she is your mother's close relative", your father's brother's wife (aunt), your son's wife, your brother's wife, with both a woman and her daughter, your wife's sister as a rival wife (to spite your first wife), during "uncleanness of her monthly period", with your neighbor's wife, with a member of the same sex; the Bible says "that is detestable", with an animal; the Bible refers to this as "a perversion"
-w- God allows it. For more info, you can look for here
Erik: No. Fact is, you cherry picked ONE religion. And not just any religion...you picked Christianity. Let me tell you two reasons why that is just ridiculous foolish.
1) Christianity has several branches and denominations and churches which each believe in different things. I am also a Christian. In our denomination, we generally accept cousins in romantic affairs as incest and very disturbing and sinful.
2) Marie is not in a Christian family. She is in a Jewish family. Her Mom is Jewish. Phineas has displayed no signs of religion but believes in Santa Clause, so I’m gonna say...probably not a Christian.
Creep: Again, the show has NEVER displayed fuckin’ religion as issue!
Erik: I’m amazed that they mention religion once (Isabella's Jewish background) and Ely gets it wrong.
Creep: The “Mexican-Jewish” song was about as close to religion as it could get and that was about basically more about the cultures.
Erik: And the Christmas episode.
Creep: Yeah, but Isabella only mentions it one time. Hell, she gets a gift from Santa anyway at the end of the episode!
Kit: Short version; religion has no relevance here. Your argument is flawed.
The closest relationship prevails - note that cousinship is not calculated between individuals when one is descended from the other, for example, two individuals are not called cousins if they are any degree of grandparent, parent and child. Also cousinship is not calculated between individuals of any degree of aunt/uncle and nephew/niece relationship to each other.
Erik: ...What? Y’know what? I don’t even care. They were raised as cousins. Phineas and Ferb have NEVER called ANYONE in their family step anything or mentioned the fact that they are not related by blood. THERE’S your psychology.
Creep: Also, look up the term, “Westermarck Effect”; it’s a lovely little piece of info that contradicts your argument as a whole. Since they were raised as cousins, they should THINK like they are cousins. Simple as that.
Kit:...I never thought about that until now. 0 0 Dude, for all they know, Thomas and Marie COULD be blood related.
At PnF's universe
Look at this family three and search if Phin and Ferb have a DIRECT line putting them together .u.
Creep: You’re really trying to dance around the obvious issue.
There is not line, is it?
Erik: Missing the point....
Dear supporters: Thank you. That's all I have to say.
Creep: Yeah, thanks for being a bunch of kissassers who are so “loyal” to Ely that they’d even support incest for the sake of getting noticed.
Dear neutrals: Also, thank you. You're an example of amazing artistic behavior.
Creep: Seriously? Neutrals? Some people are actually somewhat OKAY with the idea of two cousins fuckin’ each other and contradicting EVERYTHING the show stand for?
Erik: Here it comes...the big... “Support us or die” point of this.
Dear haters, bashers and non supporters: this message was specially for you, also:
I. Mean. It. I am NOT going to handle any war/fight. As you can see, we're NOT asking for your approval. WE ARE ACTUALLY into this and we are not taking this back. Got that right? Thank you.
Erik: ...And yet you bothered looking up every bloody area in the United States where cousins could get married...you are clearly obsessed with the public’s approval.
Creep: You’re sick, Ely and I’m disappointed. You claim to love the show and yet you want to destroy what Dan & Swampy set out to do.
Kit: I would say destroy, but she does defile canon and take this too seriously.
Any bad comment is going to be removed ^-^
Ely: Yes, even the ones that make sense and question my insane logic! ^_^
My dear dirty-little-secrets-keepers!: Scream, shout, squeal, do whatever you want! :'D Now you are allowed to fangirl (XD) about this like we did by notes or at MSN XDDDDD You are the most awesome people ever. I can't thank you enough for keeping the secret so far <333
Creep: It was actually rather predictable. Even if they are cousins, the first thought in my mind when I saw Thomas was “love interest”.
Erik: ...Reading that paragraph disgusted me.
(Do you want me guys to name you here? XD)
We were dying to reveal this :'DDDD Now...you can't tell how many fanarts, fanfics, ideas and stuff we have for this...
Thomarie is love, damn it <333333333333333
Creep: Even though you don’t even explain how the fuck it came to be. >.>
Aaaaand, the best part is that now we are allowed to show Marie's and Thomas' 'hidden' faces :'D Like Marie's solitude/hopelessness and Thomas' anger/jealous 'attacks'.
Creep: Where Marie become bipolar.
Kit: Bipolar = interesting and complex, apparently.
So. Much. Fun.
Because everything about them is meant to be. No joke ._. we're scared about how things fit so perfectly, it's weird, our minds were so connected...and even then, Thomarie's story is so complicated, and sad, and complex and...sad XD
Erik: What story?!
Creep: Complex, yes, but not in a good way and sad in a totally different way.
Congrats! To those clever people who discovered the whole thing without our word .u. even if you never said it, I'm sure a lot of you already expected this XD
Erik: You mean people with common sense?
Creep: Yeah, it was so fuckin’ unexpected. *sarcasm*
Anyway. Longest artist comment ever, but they worth it :'D (now I have to publish their playlist, haven't I? ) Thank you so much for reading. Take a cookie if you did!
Erik: Most of which was addressed to the people you didn’t care about.
Love you :'D I really do.
Finally: This is FANDOM. Like seriously. XD
Erik: ...No kidding.
Creep: I don’t believe you. So overall, Marie’s the bane of the P&F fandom in its entirely...but she’s somehow important to the fandom.
Erik: Overall...a disapointing character.
Creep: If I didn’t have Marie to bitch about, I probably wouldn’t be as well-known as I am know, I probably would have never made Olivia and I probably would have never met you, bro.
Erik: Now...I feel I should point out the few redeeming qualities about Marie...
Creep: Yes, thrill us and spill the beans, bro.
Erik: After critiquing all of this shitty characters...at least Ely and Pao bothered giving Marie a bio. Eff. That should be the least you should do for your characters, but these artists are so damn lazy. At least Ely and Pao care about Marie. She’s a horrible horrible character and I would love to see her gone, but hell, look at this. Ely and Pao did ALL of that research just to fight people who didn’t love their relationship. That’s more than I can say about the others we’ve critiquing in the past.
Creep: True. Their logic is...stupid, but they had... “effort”. But still that’s not saying much at all.
#10 Olivia: [link]
Creep: Yay, now I can sit and bask in the critiques of my own fruits of work. *puts feet up on table* Give it to me. =3
Kit: There’s...a lot here. Not sure where to start. XD
Erik: Alright...I was debating between putting Olivia last and Marie last. I eventually decided Olivia because I knew Marie was going to be a depressing critique and I wanted to end on a happier note. With that in mind, I have critiqued Olivia in the past and she is easily my favorite P&F OC.
Creep: Of course she is, boyo. XD Anyway, she does have a interview which I’ve recently updated.
Creep: I’ve also got a upcoming profile in the works for her. =3
Kit: I really do hate to leave you guys off right as we get to Olivia, but I’ve hit my limit.
Kit: My opinion, though; I really do like Olivia. She’s not like most Phinbella kids, and she’s one of the few that gives me hope for Phinbella.
Creep: :’) That warms my cockroach-y heart. XD
Erik: ...Bestest friend? XD
Creep: Lives has her moments of immaturity. XD
Kit: Welp, that’s that. |D I’ve hit my limit, so no Marie sporking for me. |D
Creep: Alrighty then. Boos.
Kit: I know...T~T...Well, have fun, guys. |D
Erik: Anyway, I like that you downplayed the Darlia a little. I like Darlia. I really do...but I always felt it was just a mistake to introduce Darwin as that.
Creep: Exactly; I wasn’t exactly proud of Darwin, so I had to reboot him top from bottom.
Erik: You weren’t proud of Darwin?
Creep: Eh, looking back on it; he came off as a love interest just for the sake and now I’m currently trying to redesign his character a little more.
Erik: It was more of the introduction than anything. I mean the first picture we see of the guy has Darlia. The damage is done though. Nothing you can do. I just think he should have been introduced as a character. Not even a mention of Darlia, and then introduce it in a story.
Creep: ...it wasn’t my best decision.
Erik: It’s cool. Even professionals make this mistake. Like the Legend of Korra and Mako being introduced as the Love Interest before the show even got started.
Creep: XD Yeah, but now I’m crafting him to make Darlia look...less likely.
Erik: You’re doing well in what Marie failed in. She has originality and P&F...but they are on opposites and never happen together. Either she’s totally unP&F or a complete rip off...mainly in jokes. You managed to mesh them together for Olivia in a grey area.
Creep: Some parts are taken from my other original character that I don’t use anymore and basically made Olivia around it.
Erik: Now...having done several animal OCs today...I do think you should do one thing for Otto.
Erik: You need to give him a bio of some sorts. He’s not the main character and I doubt his will be as big as Olivia’s, but you need to give him a bio. That’s where everyone else has failed today.
Creep: Ah, okay.
Erik: You made a story, which is good. But I think a bio would really help. It’s sorta like...oh...I don’t know... “Shopping for OCs”, I’ll call it. You don’t have time to read the stories right off the bat. You sorta check an OC out and see if you think it’s worth reading.
Creep: Right, I got ya. Basically the TD;RP or whatever how you spell it of Otto’s personality, yes?
Erik: Yes. It shouldn’t be too short. And I doubt it will be long. But it needs something. Also it’s TL;DR. XD And one of the biggest things that caught my eye about Olivia...is that it’s not 100% romance based. Even the RP doesn’t come close to where most OCs stand at. XD
Creep: I’m more of a comedy man with a dash of action and adventure. =3 I don’t mind some romance, but too much of it bores the hell outta me. Even in some Olivia stories, Phinbella’s less lovey-dovey since....well, they’re already hooked up and junk. XD
Erik: With that in mind, with this new Olivia bio coming up, I’d say you got art and bio set. You even have a story and a few chapters of another story. Once you put up the bio and a few more stories, you have a solid setting and you’re good.
Creep: There’s also a very, VERY possible comic in the future, but I’m not 100% sure. But I thank you for this critique even though you’d critiqued her. XD
Erik: I will admit though, since I RP with her so much, I may be being a little biased... I have no idea. I’ve just saying the RP kinda helps me know her character in ways other people may or may not.
Creep: True. XD The RP itself helped me out a little as well, canon-wise.
Erik: Oh? I’m sure I asked how a lot of times and I won’t make you explain it here. I’ll ask in the other doc. XD
Creep: So, I’m glad you guys like Lives. =3
Erik: Anything to add, North?
North: Not really. You said what I would have.
Erik: It...has been over 6 hours of us critiquing this...
Creep: XDDDDD Wow, the longest of all the CCE and only two survived. XD
Erik: Overall this was one of the more enjoyable to write down.
Creep: Especially with Marie to bash and Olivia to praise. XD But I’m not gonna submit this one, broski.
Erik: I figure you don’t feel like helping me alert the artists, so do you wanna submit this tomorrow?
Creep: K. Also, come back to the chat; Kiki made Phinbella OCs. XD
Erik: Aye and North linked me something about Ely and Pao too. He says it’s pretty accurate.
Creep: K. XD
Erik: This may be our last CCE...but we are not done critiquing characters. The reason I brought Joanna, Olivia, and Marie into this despite doing all three of them...is because I wanted to celebrate...100 characters critiqued. We will do smaller lumps of characters. And, when the GF fandom builds up, we may critique characters from there too.
Creep: Sweet. =3
Erik: Farewell, my friends...I hope you enjoyed the ride.
Creep: Ride that magic rainbow.....